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jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president biden. you heard that discussion. i like jack. i'm fond of the guy. jack welch has raised the question, but it was obviously his business instinct and his attitude i think towards this president that came together at 8:35 and he tweeted out this, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. i'll go back to what i heard ezra klein say in the room, that a 0.3 of 1% shift in the unemployment rate is not wild. it's very conceivable. your thoughts. >> that's absolutely true. i mean, what i just heard from jack welch was about -- with respect i gue
jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president...
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you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. >> yes. >> not one of them had a number below 8.1. >>> tomorrow, three suspected terrorists are expected to make their first court appearance in new york. they were extradited from britain overnight after a legal battle that lasted more than ten years. one suspect has a hook for a hand and has called osama bin laden a hero. the radical cler iic is wanted r several crimes commit against the united nations the
you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at...
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jack welch is almost famous or infamous by now. jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, tweeting out that, you know, the innuendo that the bureau of labor statistics had cooked the books. that was called utter nonsense by the deputy white house spokesman. others, including jared bernstein, who is an economist here until recently in the white house, said that welch should be ashamed of himself. you know, he's sort of out there on an island, jack welch. he was on "hardball" last night and he said he wouldn't take a word back of that tweet, but he admitted he had no evidence the to back it up. again, there are people on both sides of the aisle who are rushing to defend the integrity of the people who get those numbers together every month, melissa. >> the president said the burden is now on congress. what is it that the president now wants congress to do? >> reporter: congress is not coming back until after the election. that is clear. and the first order of business at the lame duck session is what to do about the fiscal clif
jack welch is almost famous or infamous by now. jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, tweeting out that, you know, the innuendo that the bureau of labor statistics had cooked the books. that was called utter nonsense by the deputy white house spokesman. others, including jared bernstein, who is an economist here until recently in the white house, said that welch should be ashamed of himself. you know, he's sort of out there on an island, jack welch. he was on "hardball" last...
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jack welch has an opinion on this. >> he has a tweet being widely retweeted. i read from jack's certified twitter account. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> okay. >> that's quite a charge. >> by jack and mark barnicle, we know jack. he's nonpartisan. >> not going there. he said that with a wink, right? >> i don't know. >> jack? >> let me tell you something seriously. these numbers don't add up. they just don't. again, i've got no dog in the fight here as far as the numbers go. >> you want them to be good. >> we all want them to be good. my dad was unemployed. i always, you know, conservatives always get angry at me when i cheer good economic news. but mike these numbers don't add up. it doesn't make sense it would drop to 7.8% with a weak participation rate and anemic number of jobs added. >> look, i am totally unqualified to weave my way through these. >> same here. >> i'm totally unqualified. i do know this though. these new unemployment numbers while offering promise and hope to a lot of people
jack welch has an opinion on this. >> he has a tweet being widely retweeted. i read from jack's certified twitter account. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> okay. >> that's quite a charge. >> by jack and mark barnicle, we know jack. he's nonpartisan. >> not going there. he said that with a wink, right? >> i don't know. >> jack? >> let me tell you something seriously. these numbers...
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welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking the tweet back, i exaggerated, there are problems, that is like asking the governor, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had the question mark on the back of it. let's face it, the fact is, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them did have a number below 8.1. >> all right, jack welch there, and the next number is due out in just four days before the election. >>> all right, would you believe that a 220 pound teacher is suing, because he said a 60 pound student beat him up. our
welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking...
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you are jack welch. you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to say, yes, anders anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm sending a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. but to actually throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it. no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was 115,000, not one had a number below 8.1. >> labor secretary shot back at the conspiracy thererists with an interview with richard quest. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff. highly skilled, ph.d.s, statisticians and folks working in this area for many years and this is methodology that has been used for decades and it is insulting when you hear people cavalierly say that we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> some may feel the latest jobs report gives a boost to the obama ca
you are jack welch. you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to say, yes, anders anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm sending a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. but to actually throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it. no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they...
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and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our screen. >>now that's politically direct. tell them it's like being nestled in an eight-way, adjustable, heated and ventilated seat surrounded by a 500-watt sound system while floating on a suspension made of billowy clouds. or you could just hand them your keys. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the
and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like...
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but the former ceo of general electric jack welch tweeted this. "unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers." the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at a its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows that america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and so sole proposal means fewer jobs. >> finally start doing something to acatually help the middle class get ahead. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four. falling incomes, rising prices, 23 million americans struggling for work. >> congress needs to step up and pass my plan to create a veterans job corps to help our returning heroes find work as firefighters, cops. a few weeks ago republicans in the senate voted that plan down. ask them why someone who fights for this country abroad should have to fight for a job when they come home. >> i understand that the president must campaign. but he also has a job to do. while barack obama enjoys being president, h
but the former ceo of general electric jack welch tweeted this. "unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers." the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at a its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows that america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and so sole proposal means fewer jobs. >> finally start doing...
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and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our screen. >>now that's politically direct. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ nah, he's probably got... [ dennis' voice ] allstate. they can bundle all your policies together. lot of paperwork. actually... [ dennis' voice ] an allstate agent can help do the switching and paperwork for you. well, it probably costs a lot. [ dennis' voice ] allstate can save you up to 30% more when you bundle. well, his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. ♪ ♪ bundle and save with an allstate agent. are you in
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jack welch should be ashamed of himself. there is absolutely no way the bureau of labor statistics cooks these numbers. they have tremendous integrity. i'm sorry he doesn't like the direction of the numbers. i will very much, as i said, admit that these numbers jump around from month to month, they do, but to say that these books are cooked is terribly obfuscating and completely wrong. >> can we show what the numbers are doing on wall street right now. i want to get ron's look at this. >> pretty good reaction so far. >> for sure. we see green arrows across the board so far this morning today. let's talk about the revisions that we've seen because we were talking earlier before we started the show that these can go either way, and -- >> and they often do. >> and they often do. >> during recoveries, you tend to get upward revision in prior numbers, whether it's the last couple months, or as the labor department does every year, there's a set of benchmark revisions to prior data that go back even a couple years. we saw that ove
jack welch should be ashamed of himself. there is absolutely no way the bureau of labor statistics cooks these numbers. they have tremendous integrity. i'm sorry he doesn't like the direction of the numbers. i will very much, as i said, admit that these numbers jump around from month to month, they do, but to say that these books are cooked is terribly obfuscating and completely wrong. >> can we show what the numbers are doing on wall street right now. i want to get ron's look at this....
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so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002, during which time he served as defendant in two supreme court case on affirmative action. thank you for talking with us. >> thank you for having me. >> when that case ended back in 2003, the sense was, maybe we'll need to discuss this for another 25 years. so here we are nine years later. affirmative action before the supreme court. what has changed that this is now before the supreme court again? >> well, i don't think anything has changed. i think the gruder decision which was in 2003 as you mentioned, really for the first time set down the princip
so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002,...
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i'm friend with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said, jack, i love you, but on this one you've just flat out lost your mind. there's an ironclad firewall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past, past cea chairs come out and say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on this thing. i kind of think they were kidding. i hope they were kidding. i mean, there's absolutely no evidence of political changing the numbers. and if somebody were changing the numbers, why would you make the numbers last month worse than expected? why would you make the payroll numbers at 114,000, not especially impressive. it just doesn't make any sense. >> all right. austan, thanks very much for coming in. >> great to see you again mpkts a check of the top stories and then something that would change the headlines about the oba
i'm friend with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said, jack, i love you, but on this one you've just flat out lost your mind. there's an ironclad firewall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past, past cea chairs come out and say, look, come on, you've got to be...
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ceo jack welch. unbelievable job numbers. they can't debate so they change the numbers. he appeared earlier today on "your world." >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist predicted roughly 90,000 to 120,000. this economy doesn't feel like the employment improved this level. it is just -- maybe it's a coincidence that the month before the election, we have a number that comes out 1/10th below when the president took office. >> sean: jack welch is not the only one tawing of this timely development. listen to what business insider said on fox business new york this morning. >> i feel like i am watching a movie, a suspense movie. because there is no way in the world these numbers are accurate. and somebody needs to dig real deep into this. how in the world, miraculously, we have the best flz 30 years, right before the election? somebody needs to do an investigation, like they are doing an investigation in libbia. they need to investigate the numbers because there is no way in the world these numbers are accurate
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howard, jack welch was here friday, he did all right. >> i would say it doesn't feel -- i get what the mayor is saying, but it doesn't quite feel like the chorus you're talking about for some reason. speaking of surrogates, what about the entertainment people? they love barack obama. get out of l.a. and get on the road. >> go to your hometown and tell people what you think. never talk out of l.a., never talk out of new york. i say this to every celebrity i know, go home where you came from, talk to the people you grew up with. >> all advice appreciated. we're moving on to win on election day on november 6th. >> it's free. anyway, coming up -- thank you, mr. mayor. coming up, mitt romney attacks president obama on foreign policy saying if he were president, he would heat up and prolong every war front in the world, iraq, afghanistan, syria. more war, continuous war, new wars. that's the romney plan. >>> also, joe the first responder. he's taken guff for his gaffes and been lampooned on "snl" but surprise, surprise, vice president joe biden is the guy who democrats are counting on this w
howard, jack welch was here friday, he did all right. >> i would say it doesn't feel -- i get what the mayor is saying, but it doesn't quite feel like the chorus you're talking about for some reason. speaking of surrogates, what about the entertainment people? they love barack obama. get out of l.a. and get on the road. >> go to your hometown and tell people what you think. never talk out of l.a., never talk out of new york. i say this to every celebrity i know, go home where you...
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you lawyer it here laura tyson asking for jack welch to apologize to those workers -- >> and to the administration. >> >> jennifer: and everybody else. all right. political junkies, up next mitt romney's political compass stopped spinning long enough for him to change course again. the destination, the middle. plus what did swing states think about the debate and what do they think about the jobs reports. and what more could you want on a friday night? >> it's not 100%. ♪ >> jennifer: so today's jobs report may be the positive data point that president obama's reelection campaign needs to hang its hat on, but there is new post debate polling that is not very good news. 20% of registered voters say the debate made them feel more negative towards president obama. 30% say they now have a more positive impression of mitt romney. and a representative for that poll included people who heard or read something about the debate. that same poll has the president leading among likely voters 46 to 44%. but before the debate president obama lead by 6 percentage points, so there is evidence the race is tighte
you lawyer it here laura tyson asking for jack welch to apologize to those workers -- >> and to the administration. >> >> jennifer: and everybody else. all right. political junkies, up next mitt romney's political compass stopped spinning long enough for him to change course again. the destination, the middle. plus what did swing states think about the debate and what do they think about the jobs reports. and what more could you want on a friday night? >> it's not 100%....
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rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who didn't say that? i just said that. >> let me finish. >> what are you talking about? i just said that. >> you actually didn't say that. >> i said it was wrong to go after stacey. are you seriously saying that i didn't say that? >> what i'm saying, charles, is that you can't just say that intolerance exists. what you need to be able to do is say when liberals are intolerant that it's wrong and call them out on it. you are somebody who they look up to. if you said it, if you called it out without having piers morgan pull it out of you, it -- >> nobody pulled anything out of
rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who...
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. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and could these shoes be coming to a shoe store near you some us ladies hope not. the so-called scary beautiful heels are backwards so it makes the feet point straight down like a ballerina. the designer says the shoes are a commentary on today's impossible standards of beauty. and apparently impossible to walk in. >>> san francisco stays alive, a bountygate update, and the space jump will have to wait. plus the athletics steal game three from the tigers. that's all coming up in sports. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...allstate safe driving bonus check? what is
. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and...
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>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very, very high, but those people are still looking. >> the u-6 number for those cognizant. >> coming up -- >> you're right. republicans are in the dumps. you're right. >> no, they're trying to pretend the numbers that they depend on when they're good in their camp. >> you can't have it all. >> are skewed. >> i don't know. if it continues this way, i think republicans can have it all. >> they're not. not going to have it all. >> coming up -- i'm so excited for what's happening later in the show. we're going to talk to chicago mayor rahm
>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very,...
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do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8% unemployment the lowest since president obama was inaugurated, correct? >> well, let's take a look at those numbers and take a little deeper look and say, for those who are not looking for a job any longer, they're not in the work place. they're not in the work participation. if you were to add those to those numbers, we'd have about 11% unemployment. look, one month of these numbers -- >> that includes people who are retired, correct? >> but let's look at those numbers a little closer again, we're looking at 43 state months of unemployment above 8%.
do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8%...
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jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important one in terms of the outcomes of who wins this election. but, yeah, this was generally a pretty good number. i want to go back to that point. we still have this wide diversion in these two reports in terms of where the employment picture is. one other statistic, if i may, that's not so rosie is when we look at the broad rate of unemployment, which includes people who can't find a full-time job and we include people who have dropped out of the labor force because they've just become discouraged, that number is still 14.7%. that's still a very high number and very economically t
jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important...